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Poster: Brad Leblanc Date: Oct 18, 2005 7:16am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Would it be possible to stream FLAC shows

The main issue is that FLAC streams require a lot more bandwidth than MP3 streams. While archive.org does have a lot of bandwidth, they didn't have enough to activate this the last time it was raised.

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Poster: danaronson Date: Oct 20, 2005 7:22am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Would it be possible to stream FLAC shows

Brad,
I don't quite understand. Given that FLAC is already compressed how does the bandwidth change if someone streams vs downloads a FLAC ZIP?

--dan

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Poster: Brad Leblanc Date: Oct 21, 2005 6:59am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Would it be possible to stream FLAC shows

Given that FLAC is already compressed how does the bandwidth change if someone streams vs downloads a FLAC ZIP?

It doesn't change when you compare it to downloads, but added FLAC streams means people who ordinarily stream the MP3's right now might start using the FLAC's. Knowing this:

A FLAC file is much bigger than an MP3. For a given song:

Length: 8 minutes
VBR MP3 = 10MB
FLAC = 65MB

When you stream the song, it takes 8 minutes. Streaming the FLAC means you have downloaded 65MB of info from the LMA. Streaming the VBR MP3 (which is what we do now) means you have downloaded 10MB of info from the LMA.

In this situation, we just added more bandwidth usage.

This post was modified by Brad Leblanc on 2005-10-21 13:59:29

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Poster: danaronson Date: Oct 21, 2005 7:42am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Would it be possible to stream FLAC shows

OK Brad, I'll accept that argument.

--dan

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Poster: xtifr Date: Oct 20, 2005 9:33pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Would it be possible to stream FLAC shows

Actually, you can stream the FLAC from the Archive--just download one of the M3U files, and edit it to change (e.g.) "_vbr.mp3" to ".flac". This is how I stream Ogg files (although I have it semi-automated). I tried it with FLAC, and it seemed to be trying to work, except that I don't have enough bandwidth myself to stream FLAC.

I think the point about the bandwidth is that people are more likely to stream shows multiple times. (I know I do.) Just one download, there's no difference, but if thousands of people are REPEATEDLY streaming (downloading) the same shows over and over, that's a lot more bandwidth.

Frankly, I'd much rather see them add automatic streaming for the ogg files, which are of noticably better quality than the mp3s, AND use (slightly) less bandwidth!